tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post4981286961147579038..comments2024-03-27T08:51:52.335-04:00Comments on The Bloody Pit of Horror: Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge, A (1985)The Bloody Pit of Horrorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04419921450872885649noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-8177666055981625322019-12-28T16:20:31.714-05:002019-12-28T16:20:31.714-05:00Agreed. I do really like Langenkamp (well, in the ...Agreed. I do really like Langenkamp (well, in the first movie and New Nightmare at least) but I've still got to give it to Patton for the best acted lead in the entire series. Sucks he was made the butt of a joke for so many years. Very undeserved. And even though Meyers is basically in a supporting role, I still liked her more than most of the Elm Street female leads. Still haven't gotten around to Dream Child but, from my vague recollections, Wilcox was better in that than she was in Part 4 though the film is overall worse.The Bloody Pit of Horrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04419921450872885649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-9973646981569306352019-12-25T03:21:01.799-05:002019-12-25T03:21:01.799-05:00> full-blown dramatic performance ... quiet mal...> full-blown dramatic performance ... quiet male composure ... the norm in horror.<br /><br />patton pushes really hard with meyers at the house after grady's death. last time i thought she might be stifling laughter in that scene (going back again to look, i determined she wasn't). his freak-outs really add to the film for me. too many characters shrug off supernatural events so easily. he's experiencing ultimate terror, damn right we should see him coming apart.spookyx3https://www.blogger.com/profile/16031768705430185415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-59753016871307175932018-09-07T08:34:48.409-04:002018-09-07T08:34:48.409-04:00now all anyone ever talks about is the subtext whe...now all anyone ever talks about is the subtext when we kinda just saw #2 as a scary worthy sequel. <br /><br />englund addresses some of the early criticisms in '86: <br /><br />'i rather liked NIGHTMARE 2's beginning, it's pretty wonderful. and it _is_ a dream, we have returned to the dream. i love the sexual innuendo in NIGHTMARE 2, the freudian implications that freddy explored, exploiting the adolescent sexual hormones as it were. however, i doubt the teenagers who go to see the movies walk out discussing the relative merits of jung and freud with what they've just seen. although, i know it affects them -- it affects them on a subliminal level. i love that. i love the androgyny of jesse, mark patton's character. i love the way freddy plays on that.<br /><br />'i also liked the ideas of freddy being a manitou and needing to come out of jesse -- it set up that effects sequence -- but somewhere along the line we got into, 'now we have to tell the story again, rediscover it through the diary.' ...<br /><br />'on the other hand, i think it ends really strongly, too. i love the classic nature of the return to the factory, the boiler room. i love the way it was shot and lit, with some german expressionistic lighting. i love the burning of freddy. i love the soundtrack. i love the kiss -- all those implications of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, of kissing freddy to get jesse back.<br /><br />'i was never fond of the party sequence. i'm fond of it in a punk sensibility -- freddy trashing the suburban mall kids -- but i wish it would have gone further. in the script, people were literally boiling in the pool. girls come up from the water and they're burned as bad as freddy -- a minimalist bikini full of burnt scar tissue cleavage, a bobbing pink shrimp of a nubile girl in the shallow end. i think the film needed that, but they didn't do that effect. it just didn't go far enough there ... i hate freddy chasing people. after he does all these other things, i hate him chasing somebody through the house. but at the time, you don't always put your foot down ... you'll agree because you're only talking about one second of film here, but one second can strain the credibility. so i'm not really happy with some of that sequence ... i love 'you are all my children now!' and 'help yourself, fucker!' i love throwing that kid into the weber kettle and having the fire shoot up -- that's brilliant. i wouldn't want to sacrifice any of that. but the party should have mutated slower and then gone even further with what the mutations were ... however, because of the time budgeted ... and the amount of people involved, we just didn't go far enough.<br /><br />'this is not criticizing anybody. i was there. i know how hard that stuff was ... i remember a memo coming down: 'more blood at the party.' ... jack sholder was building that sequence with subtle things from his wonderful sense of humor. he knew he was working up to pretty awful stuff ... what they saw coming back from the dailies was just the subtle stuff. they didn't realize that jack was going to go for the punctuation, the horror, later. so, he just started popping in anything he could give them which would live up to the scare stuff and we got rushed there. ...<br /><br />'though the sense of freddy being a manitou looks good on paper, once you get it going, and you get your effect on film, the one thing you've neglected is 'where's the dream?' we have to get back to that because the dream opens so many doors to style. maybe some of the kids could have fallen asleep or taken quaaludes or something at the party, and then freddy could have gotten into their dreams and made them go berserk and hurt their friends. but the idea that freddy manifested himself through jesse sort of did make sense and sort of didnt.'" -- FANGORIA #58.spookyx3https://www.blogger.com/profile/16031768705430185415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-9769117706790569862018-09-02T17:13:30.390-04:002018-09-02T17:13:30.390-04:00I have not seen Ghost in the Machine since I was a...I have not seen Ghost in the Machine since I was a kid and remember next to nothing about it except for one scene where the ghost locks a guy in a room and turns it into a giant microwave. I think it went the same lame comedy / jokey tone route as FD.The Bloody Pit of Horrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04419921450872885649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-55009274286754597552018-09-01T16:47:06.310-04:002018-09-01T16:47:06.310-04:00all i remember about FREDDY'S DEAD is the dumb...all i remember about FREDDY'S DEAD is the dumb cameos (tom arnold & wife, alice cooper...); also one scene where krueger's pulling stoopid faces behind a deaf kid's back or something. the, IIRC, comicbook tone must have come from higher-ups, i can't believe the director (who'd been there since #1) actually wanted that. you ever see GHOST IN THE MACHINE? i'm wondering if that's worth checking out.spookyx3https://www.blogger.com/profile/16031768705430185415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-14061063753410655012018-08-28T18:49:24.917-04:002018-08-28T18:49:24.917-04:00I will try to get around to Part 5 sometime here s...I will try to get around to Part 5 sometime here soon. I just need Amazon Prime, Hulu or one of the services I use to put it back up. With Halloween fast approaching I expect someone will. I'm sure as heck not going to pay to sit through it again! lol<br /><br />I saw Freddy's Dead in the theater with the 3D glasses. Even as a Freddy loving kid it was such a disappointment. The 3D wasn't very impressive either, which rubbed salt in the wound. Then seeing it as an adult I was, as you say, embarrassed for them. <br /><br />Chaskin managed to call that one! Been awhile since I've seen FD but I seem to recall them having flashbacks to young Freddy's childhood in that... and it definitely didn't do much to help matters any (kind of like the 'young Michael' crap in Rob Zombie's awful Halloween remake)! I don't even know how they managed to tie that all in with the nun mother's rape at the asylum or if he was Freddy's stepdad or what.The Bloody Pit of Horrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04419921450872885649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-40467469176594849772018-08-22T16:07:49.592-04:002018-08-22T16:07:49.592-04:00big hit of nostalgia from this one. everything cam...big hit of nostalgia from this one. everything came flooding back. was anticipating action and dialogue throughout until the factory finale, which i'd forgotten. mark patton and kim myers were good together, two of my favorite characters in the series. one of craven's suggestions to writer david chaskin was to feature lisa more. 6/10 might be a little high for what many (wrongly) consider the worst sequel, but it felt good to reconnect with #2. <br /><br />david chaskin, 1985 (!): "i'd love to see a movie with freddy versus jason. i think freddy would kick his ass. i mean, jason wouldn't even show his face. it'd be like GODZILLA VS. THE SMOG MONSTER. maybe there'll be a series of japanese freddy-rip-off films, like GODZILLA VS. FREDDY. i'd like to do THE BRIDE OF FREDDY, that'd be a good one. robert englund and i talked about part three, and we decided that it should definitely be a prequel and we'll show freddy's boyhood, putting the eyes out of frogs and sticking firecrackers up cats' asses, how he had a terrible childhood and an overbearing mother." -- FANGORIA #50.spookyx3https://www.blogger.com/profile/16031768705430185415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-26579901452581372672018-08-19T19:12:11.495-04:002018-08-19T19:12:11.495-04:00oh, FREDDY'S DEAD was truly embarrassing. i th...oh, FREDDY'S DEAD was truly embarrassing. i thought i might be able to wring something out of DREAM CHILD after reading (screenwriter) leslie bohem's '89 FANGORIA interview again a few years ago. bohem's an interesting guy -- in the backing band for sparks at the time of ANGST IN MY PANTS, also fronted gleaming spires (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3qVfe0uh4w).spookyx3https://www.blogger.com/profile/16031768705430185415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-47350016241810822612018-08-19T15:40:22.705-04:002018-08-19T15:40:22.705-04:00When I was a kid, Dream Master was perhaps my favo...When I was a kid, Dream Master was perhaps my favorite but I think that had a lot to do with it being one of the first horror films I ever saw in a theater (back when they let 7 year olds into R rated films!). My ratings have changed a bit on these rewatches, with the original and #2 moving up and #4 falling. 3 has stayed about the same. At one point I probably had Dream Warriors tied with the original but after giving them another look I think the original is a bit better. I never liked Part 5 much but it's definitely better than the God awful Freddy's Dead and the remake. The Bloody Pit of Horrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04419921450872885649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-1314592607127196522018-08-18T15:20:48.416-04:002018-08-18T15:20:48.416-04:00i haven't seen any of them in decades. will fi...i haven't seen any of them in decades. will fix that soon. i saw #2 way more than any of the others 'cause it was the only one i had on home-video for a long time. right now my ranking is #3, #1, #2, and NEW NIGHTMARE... besides freddy-mania peaking in '88 i couldn't understand why #4 was the most popular one; too much rehash, kinda bland. FREDDY'S DEAD was cringe-city; awful. #5? who knows. better than #6, anyway.spookyx3https://www.blogger.com/profile/16031768705430185415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-37061216573268205502018-08-18T14:41:05.346-04:002018-08-18T14:41:05.346-04:00As of right now it's probably my fourth favori...As of right now it's probably my fourth favorite behind the original, # 3 and New Nightmare but this latest viewing has made me appreciate it more and it's definitely not one of the worst in the series like some people say. In a way, it's more in the spirit of the first (despite altering the "rules") as it's mostly serious in tone.The Bloody Pit of Horrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04419921450872885649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5214930440884348127.post-4359736780165018472018-08-18T04:16:44.286-04:002018-08-18T04:16:44.286-04:00Despite its flaws, this is still my favorite in th...Despite its flaws, this is still my favorite in the series after the original.Lord Crayakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430081017588853531noreply@blogger.com